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Daniel Greco's avatar

This reminds me a bit of a David Lewis essay I really like, Mill and Milquetoast:

https://andrewmbailey.com/dkl/Mill_and_Milquetoast.pdf

The way you put it--"The only value that liberals seek to impose on society is the minimal value framework of liberalism itself"--strikes me as more extreme than a lot of self-identified liberals will want. I think it basically takes you all the way to minarchist libertarianism. Can a liberal state have subsidized public education? Sin taxes (e.g., taxing cigarrettes higher than other goods, based on a public policy aim of discouraging smoking)? Each of these policies involves the state imposing (in the form of taxation) values on society (education good, smoking bad) that go beyond the minimal value framework of liberalism itself.

I'd like a big enough tent version of liberalism that doesn't say that once you're supporting stuff like the above, you're opposed to liberalism. I admit that makes it much harder to come up with a crisp definition of liberalism. But liberalism so-understood is less vulnerable to post-liberals arguing (persuasively!) that complete state value neutrality is impossible and/or undesirable, and then using that (true!) claim to (speciously!) support highly sectarian views about the proper role of the state.

I'd prefer something like the following. The state can be non-neutral on questions of value that go beyond the minimal liberal framework. But the more divisive the issue--the more strongly people care about it, and the more people in the minority--the more of a social cost there is to the state taking sides on the issue. So we should like norms/institutions that push us towards neutral, compromise positions on questions of value, even while acknowledging that on lots of questions, no perfectly neutral, compromise position exists.

I like an analogy to judicial minimalism. The judicial minimalist thinks judges should default to making their decisions narrowly--decide the case in front of them, but don't issue sweeping rulings that go well beyond the issues before the court. But this is obviously a balancing question--judges need to write opinions, and those opinions are more than just "this side wins." And because opinions have some reasoning, they're going to have to be generalizable--they'll have to apply to hypothetical cases beyond the actual case in front of the court--to at least *some* degree. The judicial minimalist tries not to go too far. But they also recognize that there's no minimum distance such that they can have a simple principle "go this far and no further."

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Chris K. N.'s avatar

Another good one! I appreciate that you make a case for liberalism in institutions, too.

I consider myself a liberal (though of the kind who is happy to let the political pendulum swing, rather than to try to nail down a “perfect” liberal politics), and I admit that I struggle with how to discuss liberalism with regard to institutions. It's one of the places where liberalism undermines its own champions: Proponents of liberalism need to accept, and even defend, the rights of non-liberal people and institutions to be less liberal, while trying to nudge them in a more liberal direction – even if the liberal sympathizes with instincts of the less liberal party.

So, if Instacart decided to stop sales of ingredients that can be used to make kebab pizza, I would agree with the sentiment, and defend Instacart's right to not contribute to any more kebab pizzas in this world, but I would also have to disagree with the actual ban and try to dissuade them from doing it. Even if they technically and legally are free to act on their institutional objections to kebab pizza, and they can make a solid moral argument for why no one should ever eat kebab pizza, and even if I share their disgust, they should nevertheless allow people to partake in kebab pizza making and eating, because the liberal principle weighs heavier than good taste. Eat and let eat.

On every level, from axe murderer to institution, there's an asymmetry to liberalism that I wish were better explored and understood among us ordinary people, in that it promises near-absolute rights, but only suggests (doesn’t quite demand) the corresponding responsibilities. Popper's Paradox is the meme version of it, but is a pretty poor articulation with no real exploration. And it’s rarely as “simple” as in the case of literal nazis and axe murderers, but more often about perspectives in academia and systems in privately owned institutions.

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